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this is news? If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
Everybody still hates me in this city and I hate everybody.
I've never felt unwelcome here. Of course, that could be because I'm an insensitive clod, and I don't pick up on the hints.
You'll all have to be more obvious.
Me? When did that happen?
--------It's political correctness gone mad!
Can you introspect out loud? --CRwM
But then, I tend to view life in general as a cultural anthropology study. Interacting with people in a socially acceptable way doesn't really come all that naturally to me.-- Continue to lean until you feel gravity threatening to discipline you for being stupid. - CRwM
but i will say this about k5, where i spent 3ish years before i came here... (think big-band)
If i (bamp bamp) make it there, I'll make (bamp bamp) anywhere! It's up to YOU (bamp), KAY (bamp)-FIVE (bamp), KAAAAY (bamp)FIIIIIIIIIVE [ Parent ]
Like: damn. That was neat while it lasted. It's all very past tense.
The good thing about k5: it bred HuSi.--------------------------------- Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco[ Parent ]
I remember when it all started with Rusty "spamming" slashdot with comments inviting people to try K5. Of course back then it was just a toy for Rusty, I'm sure he never imagined it would turn into what it's become.
Actually most of the original members at K5 were old skool trolls on slashdot who wanted a place for real discussion etc.
Warmest regards, --Your best pal Bob[ Parent ]
i came over a few times from slashdot when k5 was just starting up and thought: "meh, this could be interesting with the right user base"
then, years later i found myself over there again, following a link from slashdot of course (i remember that it was one of inoshiro's stories, but i don't remember which one) and was like: "hey, they have the right user base."
When the seams started to pull at themselves, i gave the site the benefit of the doubt for perhaps longer than i should have before bailing to HuSi.
And now, after a couple of years here i can say pretty confidently that this site is the best thing to have come out of that site.
and it makes me happy to see that we have new users coming to husi now, becoming a part of the community, and, when diaries like this one get posted they say: "k-what?"
of course, i can't forget to give k5 and slashdot their deserved propers. i netted close to $2000 dollars on internet sales of lysergically yours and that certainly wouldn't have happened without those two sites.---I don't think anyone's ever really died from smoking. --ni[ Parent ]
What is less common said is your point, and I think it's an interesting one: Most people here have k5 accounts with UIDs vastly lower than the people complaining. The bulk of us were loyal to k5 for far longer than they've been.
I agree with them that husi's pretty insular, but the people who say that that's natural in small communities are right. Besides, it's not that insular, and it's not reasonable to expect otherwise with k5's seething hatred just off our virtual shores -- it becomes a chicken and egg sort of thing.
I also once thought that there was something to the accusations that husi has a nauseatingly supportive love-fest, but the events in molasses' diary make that pretty untenable.<IgnoreAmos> I opened the bottle last night; it's almost gone.<IgnoreAmos> I use the backspace key a lot.[ Parent ]
Of course, there are places and times where it's acceptable to be a jerk, or even necessary to be a jerk, but when someone enters a new community, that's not the time or place. At least if that person wants to be accepted into the community.-- Continue to lean until you feel gravity threatening to discipline you for being stupid. - CRwM[ Parent ]
Can you introspect out loud? --CRwM[ Parent ]
We're also not kind to people who are jerks. What's the one rule? Don't be a fucking jerk.
So far as our learning curve goes, we're pretty good with new users compared to really vicious forums like k5 or....uh....k5.
They're about as insular as you can get: a subset of dupe accounts all hell bent on being complete jackasses. And that's fine, for them, if that's what they want. Obviously, we don't want that here.
The only thing that still piques my interest at kuro5hin is the user banning and heavy-handed moderation that started after they lost a significant amount of signal in their signal-to-noise ratio. It's almost like, hey, two or three years of letting the trolls run the site didn't work.--------------------------------- Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco
husi people are nice to each other. that is a good thing.
you treat new users like outsiders. i'm not being judgemental, that's a statement of fact. after all, new users are outsiders. maybe they should be treated with suspicion at first. new users at k5 can become part of the kabal very quickly, if they're onto the rules.
k5 has a bunch of dupes acting like jackasses. but it's much more than that, in the same way that there's more to american football than people smashing into each other every 3 yards. K5 is arrogant in its take-all-comers attitude though. They think they're not sucseptible to group think, but it's a cancer there.
k5 heavy-handed moderation is a myth. the worst it's ever got is banning people crossing the line over and overf and over.
ps i'm drunk. blixco i hope your back is feeling good, although just asking that question means I've probalby missed a diary. [ Parent ]
So they try to become users at sites like HuSi or more focused sites like DailyKos. And sometimes, they are very, very subtle and it makes us (me) suspicious of some of the new accounts.
Some of us here react more strongly than that, and become overtly annoying themselves. The trolling user is then removed / banned / ignored, and that becomes their troll: oh, HuSi is such a close-minded elite blah blah filled with jerk ass jerks. The short answer, then, to all of those people interested is: yes. We're a closed community filled with rabid editors who will delete and / or modify everything you write. Ultimately, we're a gang-troll, and we win. Evidence the need for k5 to have a HuSi topic icon.
So, yeah. As always, we have the one big rule here: don't be a fucking jerk. That seems to be the main method for behavior at k5. Maybe I'm wrong about that; maybe underneath they're all real nice people.
In re: my back, the recovery is going smoothly. I have some new side effects (dizziness and whatnot), but overall I'm much much much better. No pain meds, no pain at all. It's a beautiful thing.--------------------------------- Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco[ Parent ]
textbook example: this asshole's first husi diary
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But you came back, and your writing is brilliant, really very very good. So there's that.--------------------------------- Taken out of context I must seem so strange - Ani DiFranco[ Parent ]
slow and late to the party, we usually are. If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.[ Parent ]
(i took no offense at your wording; my thank you to fleece was mostly because he's a k5er, too ... and unlike most of the k5 trolls, who are constantly whining about abusive heavy-handed admins, he seems to get it. :)) If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.[ Parent ]
Anyone who says we're rude/mean to newcomers is just batshit crazy. We're not mean or rude to them, in fact we mostly ignore them if anything.
It's just like moving to a new school when you're 15 (something I did). A few people will say hello to you, a few people might make wise cracks to you, but most people won't even notice you until you've been there for a while.
That said, if you start posting diaries with whack content we'll flock to you like a bad-taste on a polyester suit and tell you our honest opinion, which, will be interpreted as being rude by those who may not share the same opinions. So yeah, if you're looking to have people tell you only what you want to hear this probably isn't the right place for you.
as for the heavy-handed moderation at k5: the admins are trying to restore a certain order. it's a different order than the one we would have had if the admins had been more active five years ago, but ... shrug If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.[ Parent ]
Old diary of mine.
"But, and here is the important point, it's not trying to be K5. It gives some of us a place to put out thoughts to a smaller audience, which some of us appreciate. But it isn't about replacing K5, and I doubt it ever could be. It's not even an alternative. It's a different site, which I imagine will develop in different ways, which is good. That is what this doohickey they call the internet is really good at - providing you with lots of different places to be."
K5 and Husi are only superficially similar. In the interface, mostly, although where the two diverge in their functionality tells you something about the overall mindset of the community or whatever you want to call it. K5 is easier to understand: people write stuff, submit it, other users cut it to bits and sometimes vote it up. And there's discussion. Oh, and there's a diary section for whatever. But most people will go there for the articles, at least initially. You can still mostly say, "K5 is like slashdot, but ..."
Husi is no longer "like K5, but ..." -- it's maybe what K5's diary section used to be, but it's not that either. It's just this thing that some people are doing, in this space. Yeah, there is a strong group identity, you can be "in" or "out", but Husi as a whole isn't for or against anything. This probably sounds arrogant, or elitist. Is Husi special? Possibly, but it isn't superior. It's just the place where we do this thing. -- "later" meant either "when you walk around the corner" or "oatmeal."
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