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By georgeha (Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:10:15 PM EST) crack in a mylar bag (all tags)
Can you recommend a game that children aged 5-10 can play, but enjoyable enough that an adult can join in ( unlike say Candyland, where adults have to learn how to palm cards to retain their sanity).


Ten year old wanted to play MTG the other day, but she wants to play with the cards face up, and asks me what cards to play. Five year old played too, so it ended up being three handed MTG solitaire, which is even less enjoyable than it seems.

So, what fills this bill, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh? I'll check boardgamegeek tonight.

In news unrelated to CCGs, the crock pot stew was great, tonight will be the usual busy Wednesday, and it's dark and rainy out.

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only CCG recommendations? by garlic (4.00 / 2) #1 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:17:03 PM EST
Brawl should work. With the 5 year old playing, you'd probably have to take turns, instead of do it real time. It's collectable decks instead of building decks.

There's also a knizia game with CCG like play that comes with pre-built decks that I forget the name of, but that you'll find quickly on BGG probably. I don't know about it's suitability for children.



CCG preferred, I want something like MTG by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:39:57 PM EST
but easy enough for an ADD'ed 10 year old to pick up.


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card games work well in our house by lm (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:36:24 PM EST
Most of the classics: crazy eights, spoons, and old maid can be picked up by a five year old.

As for board games, Parcheesi and it's variants (Sorry, Aggravation, Trouble) also have simple enough rules for a five year old. Chinese checkers will probably also work.


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The Candyland aside was confusing by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:46:33 PM EST
I'm looking for something like Magic: The Gathering, simplified for a short attention span 10 year old and pre-literate long attention span 5 year old, so I have a collectible card game option to offer instead of three handed solitaire Magic.

I find Parcheesi and it's variants too simple and unenjoyable. If you want to try a fun game with the fam, you could do far worse than Carcassonne, usually available for under $30.


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Pokemon was a hit with my kids by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #3 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:36:38 PM EST
4-5 years ago, but I don't know how much it's changed.

Back then it was a lobotomized version of MTG, but it was interesting enough that a couple of guys at work bought decks to mess around with.


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Chess. by ReallyEvilCanine (4.00 / 1) #6 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:54:08 PM EST
Dead serious here. Help the kid along early on and soon he'll tell you to stop letting him win. I started learning when I was five (in school during recess, actually). Started beating my father when I was about 8.



CCG = Collectible Card Game by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:00:03 PM EST
my reply to lm explains further


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way back in the day by 256 (4.00 / 1) #8 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:21:16 PM EST
i used to play a game called Spellfire (TSR's answer to M:TG).

i have never played any of the new CCGs, particularly the ones aimed at kids and those really migh be ideal for you.

but i mention it because i was about sixteen at the time that Spellfire came out and i played it with my two little sisters (aged ten and eleven then) with absolutely no problems. the rules are a lot less complex than Magic.

of course, the biggest problem with spellfire as a recommendation is that it is out of print. though that might be an advantage in it's own way.

for example, right here you could buy all the card you would need for a full three player game for $2.95.

and the rules are available online for free here
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drat! i thought i was going have all the answers by misslake (4.00 / 2) #9 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:45:04 PM EST
alas, i don't know any collectible card games.

if you need any suggestions for other kinds of games, i'm at your service.
i used to work as a camp counselor, a sunday school teacher, a babysitter, and then a gardener in a public park so i have a ton of games and actiities tucked up my sleeves for indoors, outdoors, with equipment or not, loud, quite, one age group, all ages, adult participation, big or small groups.

sorry i'm not more help!
as far as regular card games, we used to play "black and red" and variants of "spoons" with all ages of my family.
black and red is for the littlest ones, and requires patience and tollerance from those over 5. it's more of a game you let the littles in on for a hand or two when they're bugging the larger kids or adults during card time.
you deal out a small hand to each player (depending on size of child's hands) and it has to be an odd number of cards. then you make a pile of the remaining cards. the top card is turned over . if it is red, then the player must play a black card on top of it. if it is black then the player must play a red card on top. you go around the circle and if someone can't go they must draw a card. play continues untill someone has goten to play the last card in thier hand. they win. depending on the group, you might continue and give 2nd, 3rd, etc. and let whoever came in dead last deal.
this game is great because it can be used to teach little little ones all basic card skills, like shuffling, sorting your hand, dealing, not bending pr eating playing cards and all that. you can invent more and more rules for it as the kids improve, adding card numbers, suits, passing, or any card game rule you want to teach.

spoons (also called "pigs" in my family)
the first variant i learned is to have in the centre a bunch of spoons, one less than the number of cardplayers. one person deals 3 cards to everyone and holds the rest. the goal is three of a kind. the dealer passes their least desireable card to the left, and takes a new one. each person in turn passes one as they take the discard of the person to the right. once someone gets 3 of kind, they grab a spoon. once one person has grabbed a spoon then everyone else rushes to also grab a spoon and not be left out. the person with 3 of a kind shows, and whoever is the odd one out looses that hand and gets an "S"
if a false spoon grab is made, and noone has 3 of a kind everyone except the one left spoonless gets a letter. you continue untill someone has spelled out spoon, they loose, everyone else wins.
the prime strategy is to be subtle in your spoon grab, and keep passing on cards.
this game was the favourite untill someone at camp got an unfortunately sharp and slightly bent spoon through thier palm druing an especially intense game.
"pigs" is played the same way, but without items to grab. this is the way my family plays. the first with 3 of a kind puts thier finger to their nose and turns up the end like a pig. last to catch on gets "P" and whoever spells pig first looses.
because i have an unreasonably cruel and competitive family, we always played after big meals at the table after it was cleared. the "pig" always had to leave the table, go out to the front porch and yell "i'm a pig, i'm a pig, i'm a big fat pig" then they had to wash the dishes and whoever else had the most letters had to dry. sometimes we had to play several games, disputes of who had "PI" first, or how to determine the looser runner up was common.
this taught card sharking, subtle nose thumbing, slight of hand, distraction and other mans of cheating, and reinforced the true meaning of family togetherness being public humilliation.
exactaly what every family needs!



Pirates of the Spanish Main by TypographicalError (4.00 / 2) #10 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:48:51 PM EST
Information found here. Not only is it a CCG with pirates, but it's a constructible CCG with pirates that uses wargaming miniatures type rules.

I used to hang out with a guy that was into it, and they were great. Very easy to learn, and it's a lot more fun for kids than reading a bunch of cards, I imagine.



Yeah, I have that, but ten year old think's its by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:52:47 PM EST
boring, and five year old just likes to move the ships around without fighting.


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Get new children (nt) by TypographicalError (4.00 / 2) #20 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:02:50 PM EST
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I've had a hardcoded change by georgeha (4.00 / 3) #21 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:06:01 PM EST
and can no longer fork a child process.


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I played Yu-gi-oh for awhile by MissTrish (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 02:00:17 PM EST
but it only really held my interest for very long because I wanted to nail the harpies. It also becomes very quickly one-sided if one person develops a solid strategy. I won 19/20 games. Got boring.



couple of suggestions by MacBrave (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 02:21:41 PM EST
If you only want two players, Lost Cities is a great little cardgame.

For multiplayer have you tried the Harry Potter CCG (if they still make it)?



I don't do CCG any more, by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 02:24:42 PM EST
but I used to be supervised by the man who developed the formalism. Is that any help?



Katamari Damacy? by theboz (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:03:57 PM EST
It has nothing to do with CCG, but it's still fun for all ages.
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My brothers learned MTG at that age by debacle (4.00 / 1) #16 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:53:11 PM EST
You just have to tone the game down. No enchantments, no interrupts (or instants), no artifacts, no creatures with anything by flying, first strike, trample, maybe protection from colors.

Pokemon is terrible. Yu-Gi-Oh is nearly as bad.

Yeah, I'd stick to magic. You need to have patience. It'll take work to teach them, but it'll help them out later on. Chicks who play CCGs go on to be hostesses on a little site I like to call Suicide Girls.

Honestly, though, I could give you the decklists I used back then. Did you play Portal? Portal was a good starter set.

Set up a few theme decks. Girls like the angel/unicorn decks (not to be sexist - I did too) and my gryphon deck was always a hit.


"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie



that sounds expensive by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:55:59 PM EST
i'd stick to cribbage and forget the overpriced ccg crap.

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If you want an illegal non-competive deck by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #18 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:01:08 PM EST
you can pick up cards for pennies a piece, $10 on ebay would probably get you 1000 cards.


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Dang, that's a genious idea by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:02:41 PM EST
I never thought of purging the decks of all the tricky stuff. I have about 1000 unused cards I can go through.


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If you need more by debacle (2.00 / 0) #22 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:08:05 PM EST
Feel free to PM me. I'm not doing anything with mine at the moment.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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You're not going to be teaching your kid? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #23 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:10:40 PM EST
I have plenty for the moment.

but thanks,


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Mr Ha by debacle (2.00 / 0) #25 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:21:27 PM EST
I have more Magic cards than is physically possible within this universe. Offering up five hundred of them isn't going to break me.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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the first step is.. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:36:41 PM EST
admitting you have a problem.

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I don't play anymore by debacle (4.00 / 1) #38 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:44:09 PM EST
I'm clean.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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They have MTG starter decks now by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:10:52 PM EST
pre-made decks that exclude all the fancy stuff.

It might be a good choice, if the kid isn't interested in Pokemon. But, really it depends on the kid.

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Yeah I know by debacle (2.00 / 0) #26 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:22:06 PM EST
But they're expensive out the wazoo.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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and I can sort my common cards by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #27 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:25:44 PM EST
get the easy ones out, and let the girls make their own decks. Free!


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Indeed by debacle (2.00 / 0) #28 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:29:03 PM EST
A card shop I used to go to had 50 commons for a dollar every friday.

I'm the biggest common junkie there is. Won three tournaments with common-only decks and two where Ernahms were the only non-commons in the deck.

Too bad I've got no one to play with these days.


"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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It sounds like you need one of those things by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #29 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:33:54 PM EST
that you had before the job and family, another real life person to do things with you're not related to,  I forget the word though.

Or you could mosey on down to the local gaming shop and strike up a game.


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Yeah one of those would help by debacle (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:43:06 PM EST
I'd be twice the age of anyone even remotely human at the local gaming shop.

I also hate playing against people whose only strategy is 'do what the world champion did in his last tournament.' I can honestly build a deck to beat Kai or that other douche and go in and kick all of thier Sliding asses.

But yeah, friends would be nice.


"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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not likely by garlic (2.00 / 0) #44 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:32:18 PM EST
gamers are only getting older. sure, the newest CCGers will be teenagers, but they'ed be happy to kick your ass.

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I'm sure they'd be happy to try. by debacle (2.00 / 0) #46 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:50:24 PM EST
I've got d12s who have seen more play than some of thier d20s, if you get my meaning.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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twice the age? by 256 (2.00 / 0) #50 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 01:14:51 AM EST
can i ask how old you are?

i'm fine with a no, but you've just cast into doubt my internet-persona assumption that you were about the same age as me.

no wait, maybe i'm just older than i thought.

dammit.
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Chronologically by debacle (2.00 / 0) #51 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 01:21:09 AM EST
You're a bit older than I am.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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but you're further along in the book of life by 256 (2.00 / 0) #52 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 01:29:45 AM EST
i keep re-reading chapter seven.

it's a good one.
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I've always been one by debacle (2.00 / 0) #62 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:33:45 AM EST
To get the reading done as soon as possible.

It leaves room for other things.


"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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True. The only real question is by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #30 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:33:56 PM EST
are the girls interested in the whole MTG mind set, or are they, excuse me, more girly?

I also just realized I've got a couple of different games they might find interesting; Fluxx - which is a game that begins with only one rule (because many of the cards change the rules) and Munchkin, which is full of D&D inside jokes and occasional double-entendres (the "kneepads of allurement")  but the kids still get a lot of fun out of it.

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You need three literate sorts for Munchkin by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:36:31 PM EST
adn five year old is not there yet. you can play MTG with two.


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I guess that's true. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #34 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:37:20 PM EST
I mean, you can play munchkin with 2 players, but it would be dull.


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Also by Driusan (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:48:12 PM EST
Munchkin is boring.

Chez Geek or Guillotine are about a million times more fun, but not particularly suited to young children.
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They must have gotten expensive. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #31 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:35:06 PM EST
I seem to remember a starter set (2 decks, play mat, etc..) for less than 20 bucks.

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That's only 120 cards by debacle (2.00 / 0) #37 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:43:49 PM EST
20 bucks will buy you about 500 cards at your average game shop.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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Yeabut... by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #43 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:27:01 PM EST
remember, we're talking about little kids - let them figure out how to play before they dive into deck design.

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Deck design is the best part by debacle (2.00 / 0) #45 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 06:49:38 PM EST
And who says you can't design the deck for them?

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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Perhaps I'm just old. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #49 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:13:38 PM EST
I just don't see pre-teens doing that sort of thing right from the start. Sure, once they get interested that's the next stage, but till then you don't want to drown them in complexity.

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I would pare it down even further by houser2112 (2.00 / 0) #57 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:07:34 AM EST
Decks with nothing but basic ground pounder creatures and land.  Then gradually phase in things like flying and trample.  First Strike and the concept of Protection was a problem even for my college age friends.  Chemical Engineer college friends, even. :\

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Quite honestly by komet (4.00 / 1) #35 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:41:00 PM EST
5, 10 and 40 years old are very far apart, and I doubt there is an off the shelf game which would fit.

The solution is to make up your own rules. But not you - hand the kids some cards and encourage them to come up with their own game. Inventing games is the core competence of all children.

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Maybe for CCGs by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #40 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:48:39 PM EST
but I enjoy playing Pic Picnic and Carcassonne with the kids.


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carcassone with a 5 year old?! by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #48 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 08:48:49 PM EST
Yeah, she likes the tile matching part by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #55 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 05:55:34 AM EST
she doesn't get the strategy as much.


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Your family /might/ appreciate by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #60 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:56:48 AM EST
Looks interesting by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #63 Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 07:09:17 AM EST
thanks


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Just in case by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #64 Fri Oct 13, 2006 at 11:37:40 AM EST
I have it and I may want to get rid of it.

Cheers.
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Could always buy this by squigs (2.00 / 0) #41 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 05:24:22 PM EST
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10Kg-of-CCG-Cards-Deadlands-Blood-Wars-Star-Trek_W0QQitemZ200034339540QQihZ010QQcategoryZ60242QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

10 kilos of cards is probably going to have at least one decent game in it:P  postage to the US might be a bit much though.



Ooops... by squigs (2.00 / 0) #42 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 05:25:34 PM EST
Apologies for any page widening.  Editors have my permission to edit if they can edit comments.

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games by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #47 Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 07:25:07 PM EST
rummy (7 hand), fish/pairs, spit/speed were all happily played by me in that time period.

Also, scrabble. No, really. Though bridge was, er, a bridge too far.



pokemon works okay by R343L (2.00 / 0) #53 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 02:29:22 AM EST
deck making is pretty fun and pretty varied. we had fun with it in college after all....

NOT, btw, Legend of the Five Rings if you've ever heard of it. That is one complicated CCG.

Rachael

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot


Duelmasters by jaxom green (2.00 / 0) #54 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 05:36:42 AM EST
Not sure if WotC has killed that game yet, but it's supposedly their answer to Yugi-Oh and their loss of the Pokemon license.

But others have suggested MtG without the complex cards and I agree that's likely the best way to go.  A ten year old is on the crux of being able to play with the complex cards once they get the grasp of the game, and a younger child with basic counting skills would be well suited to an all creature deck.

WotC used to sell a MtG variant called Portal.  It was their idea of the first hit for getting people addicted to the cardboard crack before Pokemon and the other child oriented games came out.  Once your kids grasped the all creature deck style I'd likely look at the way Portal handled instants and sorceries and bring that into their game.

Millennium Games is likely the "premier" WotC store in your area, sometime in the next few months WotC will be announcing their annual Junior Super Series events for kids 15 and under.  One or two should be run there I believe.  Each event offers $1000 in scholarships so a fairly competitive group shows up, but there are age based prizes so fairly young children also show up.  I've seen a fair amount of ten year olds at the JSS events in my area.  It might be an opportunity to find other children the same age who play the game rather than the slightly older teens at most events.



Clue by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #56 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:49:51 AM EST
My five year old loves playing Clue with the family.  Getting to move the pieces and play with the murder weapons.  She does require either me or my wife to update her card and feed her information.  But she does enjoy it.



A slightly off track variant... by atreides (2.00 / 0) #58 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:26:29 AM EST
If you have a PS2 around the house, get Culdcept. Half way between MTG and Monopoly...

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Did the PS2 have the MCA architecture by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #59 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:16:01 AM EST
or was the the PS/1? I may have a P 90 in the basement, though I can't see dragging it out when I have faster PCs around.


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It was the PS/2 by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #61 Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:26:10 AM EST
Too late to take things back to proprietary, wasn't it?

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